Doris on tonight's Oscars

John M · Unread post by **John M** » 25 Feb 2008, 00:08

It was nice to see 2 clips of Doris on tonight's Oscars during the "In Memoriam" segment: once for Delbert Mann and once for Johnny Grant. Someone working on the montage is a Doris fan.

ray · Unread post by **ray** » 25 Feb 2008, 01:10

I am sorry I missed the show then, what were the clips and is the in memoriam a new segmentm for the show? I don't even know what films were nominated this year!

Ralph · Unread post by **Ralph** » 25 Feb 2008, 01:52

They showed Jane Wyman, Betty Hutton, Lorraine Day and Delbert Mann, director of "Touch of Mink" w/ clip of Cary Grant taking off Doris'Day's mink stole and a still of Doris sitting on a ladder putting a record on a poster advertising the movie ,"Julie" and her Columbia recording, with Johnny Grant. I don't know if he was a record or movie executive. They captioned him as "Johnny Grant, Executive."

The show was boring as hell. The "best songs" were also boring as ever. Why they allow the people who wrote the songs to sing the songs is beyond me.

The songs are now from most animated movies and are non-descript. Movie songs used to be so great: "Days of Wine And Rose," "Call Me Irresponsible," "Secret Love," "The Tender Trap," "Love Is A Many Spendord Thing," "I'll Never Stop Loving You," etc. Today, you can't even find a melody!

JOHNNY GRANT:
Johnny Grant (May 9, 1923–January 9, 2008) was an American radio personality and television producer who also served as the honorary mayor of Hollywood, in which capacity he was often present at Hollywood community functions, including the unveiling of new stars on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. An intersection just north of Hollywood Boulevard and Highland Avenue is designated "Johnny Grant Way.
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Ralph · Unread post by **Ralph** » 25 Feb 2008, 01:57

ray wrote:I am sorry I missed the show then, what were the clips and is the in memorium a new segmentm for the show? I don't even know what films were nominated this year!

Go to: http://www.oscar.com or http://www.imdb.com

Foreigners swept the acting awards: France, Spain, England (2).
Funny. In other countries, they have a special "best foreign actor" category and give domestic awards to natives of their own countries.

John M · Unread post by **John M** » 25 Feb 2008, 02:08

Ralph wrote:The "best songs" were also boring as ever. Why they allow the people who wrote the songs to sing the songs is beyond me.

The songs are now from most animated movies and are non-descript. Movie songs used to be so great: "Days of Wine And Rose," "Call Me Irresponsible," "Secret Love," "The Tender Trap," "Love Is A Many Spendord Thing," "I'll Never Stop Loving You," etc. Today, you can't even find a melody!

You can say that again, Ralph! Just awful, I thought (the songs.) The one that won was okay, but the others dreadful. There was a cute new song written for the closing credits of Hairspray that didn't get a nom, but those 3 dreadful ones from Enchanted deserved nominations??!!
And the singers were pretty bad, even Kristin Chenoweth.

On the positive side, I was glad to see Marion Cotillard win for her performance as Edith Piaf. And the Coen Bros. back in form after a string of terrible movies.

Ray, the "In Memoriam" segment is the salute to all who have passed away the last year. They do it every year. I am dreading the day that Doris will be a featured portion of that segment.

Jas1 · Unread post by **Jas1** » 25 Feb 2008, 17:43

So true about the songs now - and this has nothing to do with age! Imagine the likes of 'It's Magic' not winning now and remember very few have been nominated twice in the same year for the song/ recording as Doris was in 1956.

BabeWilliams · Unread post by **BabeWilliams** » 25 Feb 2008, 18:02

For real... I don't understand how songs as good as Doris Day's and her great movies... didn't get nominated for jack squat... pardon my french... lol

The stuff that gets nominated today is usually trash or crappy... it's good once in a while but never as good as the great Doris Day's

Ralph · Unread post by **Ralph** » 25 Feb 2008, 21:34

Babe Williams wrote:For real... I don't understand how songs as good as Doris Day's and her great movies... didn't get nominated for jack squat... pardon my french... lol

The stuff that gets nominated today is usually trash or crappy... it's good once in a while but never as good as the great Doris Day's

Music, overall, stinks today. Record companies don't even look for the best singers anymore, they are out for "a look." Take hip/hop, which has usurped the moniker of "soul" and r & b and it is neither. It is lightweight drivel, filled with kiddie-rhymes, a dull dum de dum beat, a weak lead singer with 20 background singers drowning out the lead. I tried to listen to Justin Timberlake, but couldn't hear him, there was so much behind him. He tries to sound like Michael Jackson, while the rest of the men imitate Stevie Wonder. I have never understood one word that Toni Braxton ever sang.

In the popular field, the singers are just as bad. Britney Spears and the rest are imitating Janet Jackson, who has been imitating her brother, Michael, for years. Everybody has the same act. A Lead "singer," prancing around on the stage, posing, while 15 dancers snake-dance behind her. Beyonce and the rest of the shake dancers are an embarrassment.

Record companies can make money off these people for a year and then easily replace them with other cute skinny girls like Rihanna. Record execs are not interested in helping serious singers build long-time careers.

pebrogan · Unread post by **pebrogan** » 26 Feb 2008, 10:00

Oscar producer Gil Cates was quoted on Monday as saying that since he began producing the show the one person he has wanted to appear on the Oscar Show is Doris Day. He has invited her but she has declined.

Ralph · Unread post by **Ralph** » 27 Feb 2008, 14:53

Academy Awards: Greg Hernandez's red carpet snapshots...

Jane Russell graced the red carpet, still looking lovely in her 80s. I wonder why the Academy doesn't award an honorary Oscar to someone like Doris Day or Lauren Bacall? It would give the proceedings such a touch of class and remind us of whart it was all about before all this "Who are you wearing?" crap!

Note: Doesn't it look silly to have all of these people dressed up in evening wear with the sun shinning and all that daylight? Affairs like this always look more glamourous in New York (my opinion) when they are held at night. It's dark in Gotham around 7 p.m. Of course, that would make it 4 p.m. in Hollywood, when people are still at work.

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Jas1 · Unread post by **Jas1** » 27 Feb 2008, 17:01

I love Jane Russell and think she too was very underrated. She looks great too. Jane was also [in my opinion] a great [and underrated] singer as well and always comes across as so down to earth any time she is interviewed. Did you see her on that BBC programme a few years back- can't remember the name and I should know as the interviewer comes from my Country. It is the one where he sits with the 'star' and they both watch clips of that person's films and he interviews them like this- it was brilliant, and so insightful.
Jane Russell looked at herself with a wry smile, Lauren Bacall [when interviewed] couldn't believe they kept going on about 'Written in the Wind' which she classes as pure soap opera. Saw so many on this show- Kirk Douglas too, and always, when wathcing, I thought how brilliant it would be if Doris Day were the recipient. Of course as we all know, that would never have happened, at any time, not least due to Doris' aversion to watching herself on screen!

Ralph · Unread post by **Ralph** » 27 Feb 2008, 19:56

Jas1 wrote: Of course as we all know, that would never have happened, at any time, not least due to Doris' aversion to watching herself on screen!

I don't want to beat a dead horse, but I don't think Doris minds watching herself on the screen. During the absolutely ridiculous clips that were chosen for the C. B. DeMille Award, Day looked embarrassed except for the wonderful clip they showed of "Calamity Jane," "Man Who Knew...Much" and the Cagney slap in "LMOLM." She knew that the rest was deliberately picked to embarrass her. I say this when comparing the scenes chosen for other stars like Elizabeth Taylor, Shirley MacLaine, Audrey Hepburn, Barbara Stanwyck, etc. when they received the same award.

If you have the tape, look at it again! From "Touch of Mink" all Day did was sigh. In "Teacher's Pet" her brief line set up Gable's line. From "Move...Darling" she just giggled. Was that fair? Did these clips show any reason why Doris Day would be receiving such a prestigious award?" No. And the Day-haters planned it that way. I can certainly understand why Doris doesn't want to be set up again by these monsters.

BabeWilliams · Unread post by **BabeWilliams** » 27 Feb 2008, 20:09

I tell you what... if I get to have things my way...and I get to go to acting school and eventually get to sing and act... I'm not going to dress trashy... and I'm not going to put out trash music either... We should try to get the world to go back to singing like Doris Day's time... I'm just in high school, but I prefer music from 40's-70's WAY better than I like today's music... It makes more sense to me.... The lyrics the singers the melody... the music as a WHOLE was much better then, than it is now

Jas1 · Unread post by **Jas1** » 29 Feb 2008, 16:41

Ralph, I don't dispute what you say but my comment was based on what Doris has said many times, in her book and in many interviews that she does not like watching her films, she wants to do it all again. In the 1993 PBS documentary she said it again when she said something along the lines of 'I don't watch my films, I see all the wrong things, but sometimes a song will come on the radio, that I recorded a long time ago, and i think, yea, that was good, you did it...' - thankfully Doris at least appreciates her vocal genius, I just hope with the years she can watch again some of her performances and see how marvellous she was.

Theodomus · Unread post by **Theodomus** » 29 Feb 2008, 17:05

I don't watch my films, I see all the wrong things, but sometimes a song will come on the radio, that I recorded a long time ago, and i think, yea, that was good, you did it..

Well, I guess that happens to everybody in his/her field.

A writer will probably never be really enjoying to read his book. He'll always find at least something he could have done better.

Somebody working in the tourism industry will most probably not enjoy a holiday the same way as a "normal" tourist as he constantly has points like hotel quality, service etc. in his mind.

And when DD or any other actor is watching a film starring themselves, I would imagine they at the same time think of the days filming it. Of little anectodes, fights, tears whatever...

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Ralph · Unread post by **Ralph** » 29 Feb 2008, 20:12

Jas1 wrote:Ralph, I don't dispute what you say but my comment was based on what Doris has said many times, in her book and in many interviews that she does not like watching her films, she wants to do it all again. In the 1993 PBS documentary she said it again when she said something along the lines of 'I don't watch my films, I see all the wrong things, but sometimes a song will come on the radio, that I recorded a long time ago, and i think, yea, that was good, you did it...' - thankfully Doris at least appreciates her vocal genius, I just hope with the years she can watch again some of her performances and see how marvellous she was.

Just wondering. If she hated herself onscreen so much, why or why did she continue to make films? She could have opted to just record and do radio. I think that Day doesn't mind watching "Good Day." When you are forced to sit through what she did at the Globes, I couldn't blame her. From "Touch of Mink" ...a sigh? From "Move...Darling' a giggle? Come on!

It takes anyone a while getting used to seeing themselves on the screen or hearing themselves on a tape recorder. It's fashionale to say, "I don't like watching my movies." Most actors say that.

John M · Unread post by **John M** » 29 Feb 2008, 21:19

Ralph wrote:Just wondering. If she hated herself onscreen so much, why or why did she continue to make films? She could have opted to just record and do radio. I think that Day doesn't mind watching "Good Day." When you are forced to sit through what she did at the Globes, I couldn't blame her. From "Touch of Mink" ...a sigh? From "Move...Darling' a giggle? Come on!

It takes anyone a while getting used to seeing themselves on the screen or hearing themselves on a tape recorder. It's fashionale to say, "I don't like watching my movies." Most actors say that.

Ralph, Doris could have made a hundred movies without having to sit through them. One has nothing whatsoever to do with the other.

I have several A-lister clients and they never go see themselves on the screen. Even at Premieres, they go up the carpet and into the lounge or out the back door. You seem to have a very prosaic view of actors. As if they all have the same personality and feelings about the work and the industry. Many of them feel they were hired to do their job, they do it, and they move on. "Why do I need to watch the movie... I made it."

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