Clinton Vs Obama: Straw Poll

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Who do you want to be the next President of the USA?

Hillary Clinton
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52%
Barack Obama
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22%
John McCain
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26%
 
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"The race to the White House" is getting a lot of coverage in the UK.
Too close to call is the general opinion - who are you voting for?
My vote would go to Obama if I were voting. Either way, if the Democrats get in, it will be a historic moment for the US; the first woman President or the first African-American President. (We've done 'the first woman' over here - that didn't work too well!)

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I wouldn't care as long as it's Clinton or Obama. The problem is America's lurid past. This election, as predicted, has turned into a race war (exaserbated by a rabid press).

After nearly 8 years of Bush, America is not looked on in the best light by the rest of the world. What the Democratic Party is trying to do is to convince the world that the USA "has changed." Obama is being used as a tool to prove that. It was working during the early stages of his campaign, but even in the Democratic Party, racism has raised its ugly head.

Many white Americans are tired of being labeled "common racists," while (probably the majority) are secretly thrilled that their ancestors set up this society to benefit THEM and they don't want to see any changes. Isn't that what "conservatism" is all about?) The fact is, racism is deeply imbedded in every fiber of American society. Our TV pundits dig in that ugly pot nightly trying to stir up racial controversy. The Republicans, who would never even consider running a non-white candidate (unless he was an "Uncle Tom") is sitting back watching and enjoying the tap dance.

The ironic thing is the GOP gave us George W. Bush, who is the complete opposite of Obama and Clinton. Bush is "intellectually challenged" and Obama and Clinton are both scholars. But, to the GOP, Bush is more acceptable (for obvious reasons), even if he was never qualified.

America has always had an impact on the customs of other societies, but that influence is running thin. We have always tried to convice the world that we are THE BEST COUNTRY ON THE PLANET and that's why everybody wants to come here. The Streets Are Paved With Gold!! How disappointed many are after they arrive.

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I'm a Republican.... so I say neither... I don't care who wins as long as it's not Clinton or Obama... first off we've had Clinton's husband we know what he was like... she is just totally against what I'm all for... and Obama... first off he's a muslum, nothing against muslums, he doesn't say the pledge of allegiance... why would we want someone for president who doesn't even stand up for our flag??? And his middle name is the name of a terrist whom America has the displeasure to deal with... why would we want people like them?? Most of all they believe in abortion... and I'm WAY against that... If you don't want your baby put it up for adoption... Why murder someone you don't even know when you can give them life and give a deserving family the baby they've always wanted... Anyway... that's what I think of the presidential campaigns...
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I can feel my blood pressure rising after reading the comments above! :evil:
That is such a mixture of predjuce and ignorance.

We really shouldn't talk about politics!

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Oh, I'm kind of embarrassed now :oops:

I didn't mean to upset anyone...

I'm sorry...
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Sorry - a few things you said rattled me - but I don't want to go there - or offend you - so let's leave it at that we have a different outlook on things.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Apologies.

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Bryan, I was kind of wondering why you opened up this can of worms... :lol: I'm not sure how much press it gets across the pond, but it's just 24/7 over here and we still have M-O-N-T-H-S to go. I'm so sick of all the campaigns.

I'm going with Hillary, based on experience. Obama needs more time and experience. And I'm really beginning to dislike the way he skirts any criticism of himself or his campaign by claiming it's racism. We've had 8 years of an administration that feels it's above listening to anyone or being criticised. We don't need to make that mistake again, even for different reasons. I'm snakebitten against anyone who feels they are "mandated" and that is starting to be Obama's vibe.
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I've moved on, John! :)

http://dorisday.net/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2014

I'm sure you guys will work it out! :wink:

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bryan wrote:I'm sure you guys will work it out! :wink:
Optimist!! :lol:
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I accept your apology Bryan, and I hope you will accept mine... I probably shouldn't have spoken out like that... but like most teenagers I am very outspoken, I saw whats on my mind... And if I have strong feelings about something... well I'm going to say it... So once again I am very sorry if I upset anyone... that's just my opinion... you can like it or not like it... it really doesn't bother me any... Enough said
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Babe.. sweetheart.. (whatever your name is), it sounded to me that your parents were talking.

No one in high school gets so emphatic, so wrong-headed, except around the kitchen table.

To quote howard: "that's my story and I'm sticking to it"

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Well, Dave... I suppose you are kind of right... i ALWAYS listen to what my parents say, My dad's a children's pastor, my mom had me when she was 16.... I guess I haven't really made up my own feelings or thought on elections yet. I suppose I should though since I'm going to be a part of them the next time around... I guess I'm just always trying to please my parents... Well MY personal opinion is that it would be totally cool to have a first woman president, or a first black president... and that's what I think, not my parents but me... I need to work on getting my own thoughts and feelings out there... not my parents'... thanks Dave, you might have just helped the real me jump out into the world!
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All well and good, but we've been all over US politics in the forum before and have more or less come to the conclusion that it's better left to other venues, other forums; therefore it's surprising to find the subject back.

There's a wide range of political opinion here. Given how long we in this country have been hearing about the upcoming election, it's true that the fact that we have almost 8 MONTHS still to listen is close to unbelieveable.

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webmaster wrote:I can feel my blood pressure rising after reading the comments above! :evil:
That is such a mixture of predjuce and ignorance.

We really shouldn't talk about politics!
It is a very touchy topic indeed but I can imagine how you must feel after reading that post. I'm very outspoken and my vote goes to Obama because I believe he's just what the US needs after this long period with Bush.

Regarding abortion. I would never let the church or anyone else for that matter tell me what to do with my body. It's my body and if someone raped me I would never want to carry that child or if the pregnancy would mean complications for the mother and/or child. There are perfectly good reasons to abort.

Keep an open mind. Do what you'd do and think you're right, not what someone else thinks or tells you. Put yourself in someone else's shoes. There's a saying Do as you would be done by and there's a lot of truth to that saying.

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D O R I S D A Y F O R P R E S I D E N T !!!! MOVE THE WHIE HOUSE TO CARMEL!

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BSDDomi wrote:Regarding abortion. I would never let the church or anyone else for that matter tell me what to do with my body. It's my body and if someone raped me I would never want to carry that child or if the pregnancy would mean complications for the mother and/or child. There are perfectly good reasons to abort.

Keep an open mind. Do what you'd do and think you're right, not what someone else thinks or tells you. Put yourself in someone else's shoes. There's a saying Do as you would be done by and there's a lot of truth to that saying.
I really don't want to bring this back up, but after reading this I feel I have something I want to say. If my family believed in abortion, I would not be here today. Nor would 1 of my aunts, and 1 of my cousins.. If I was raped, I'd still keep the baby. Because raped, or not, that baby is still half mine. It still has part of me in it.. I don't know, I guess it's just a personal choice..
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It definitely is every person's own choice and that is why nobody should be told what she has to do.

Counselling, support, offers of help - Yes please. But the final decision can only be made by one person.

And Megan, Obama is NOT a muslim and his name is NOT "Osama". We shouldn't let mistakes stand here uncorrected. ;-)
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Theodomus wrote:It definitely is every person's own choice and that is why nobody should be told what she has to do.

Counselling, support, offers of help - Yes please. But the final decision can only be made by one person.
I agree. That's my whole point. It's our body and we, as a woman, know what's right. I wouldn't want to carry the child of a rapist not because it wouldn't be a part of me or I wouldn't love it, I love kids but it would constantly remind me of the situation it was conceived.

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Surely being a muslim should not stand in the way of being head of a democracy or impairs one's ability to be a good leader. Or am I an idealist?

And "what's in a name?"
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Surely being a muslim should not stand in the way of being head of a democracy or impairs one's ability to be a good leader. Or am I an idealist?
You're definitely right, Rum!

I just didn't want to let it stand here uncorrected, especially as - let's not fool ourselves - many people probably would have their decision influenced by this, even if it's only in the back of their heads and they would never admit it...

It's this old "Oh, I don't have no nothin' agains XX, but..."
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Hey...can we add "None of the Above" to the poll :mrgreen:
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BSDDomi wrote:It's our body and we, as a woman, know what's right.
I think that's only true on a case by case basis, certainly not as a rule. Here in L.A. not a month goes by that there isn't a news story of a (usually dead) baby found thrown in a trash dumpster. :evil: And here in California you can leave your baby at a hospital or fire station with no questions asked or charges filed, but these women choose to throw these babies in the trash to die. So the assumption that women automatically know what's right in this area is sadly mistaken.

While I am pro-choice, the disposability of human life is getting way too rampant these days, and it's tragic.

As far as candidates, we need MAJOR change in this country. This presidency and administration has been the biggest disaster in our history. Just deplorable on every conceivable level: economy, foreign affairs, environment. It almost seems insurmountable the problems and failures that will have to be corrected now. :cry:
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Theodomus wrote:And Megan, Obama is NOT a muslim and his name is NOT "Osama". We shouldn't let mistakes stand here uncorrected. ;-)
When did I type that??? Well, I'm sorry for the error.. I don't remember writing it.. It was probably from a long time ago..

Sorry if I offended anyone..

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In your first post, March 13. ;)

It didn't offend me, but I thought it should be corrected.
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John M wrote: And here in California you can leave your baby at a hospital or fire station with no questions asked or charges filed, but these women choose to throw these babies in the trash to die.
Yes, you're absolutely right. I don't approve of that either. It's our responsiblity to make sure that if we can't have and take care of the child to give it to someone who can. It's sheer horror to see what some of these women are capable of doing, they throw their babies out of the window, beat them. It's also very important, that at a very early age, teenagers are made aware of the consquences of pregnancy and to use the birth control pill and a condom. That's why I think it's so important that we don't act like upholders of moral standards like Palin, McCain and co do...it needs to be discussed in public. And if these people were more open I bet Sarah Palin's daughter would not be pregnant now. :lol:

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